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But I'm here to help genuine singles, Australian and Asian singles, find their true love. So I'm sure they get the message. Jennifer, I know that you've looked at preferences with on-line dating does race come into that and if it does, what's the hierarchy? Yes, well we find that race is actually a primary deciding factor. We find that when people send an initial message to another dater, homophily is what social scientists call the trend and that is people tend to contact people who look just like themselves in terms of race. So that is the most common.
White daters contact white daters, it's true across sexual preference as well. But when people have the opportunity to respond to groups of people who have contacted them, what we find is that there is a racial hierarchy. So men of all races are about equally likely to respond to women, Asian women, Latino women, I'm talking about heterosexuals right now, and white women. However, unfortunately, there tends to be less of response rates to African American daters who contact them. So African American women seem to be very marginalised on the on-line dating market.
With women it's very interesting. So women tend to respond first and foremost only to white men and this is true regardless of race, of the woman's racial identity. So white women respond primarily to white men and we also find that African American women, Asian women and Latino women also respond primarily to white men first. Okay, so is there any explanation, do you have an explanation for why that hierarchy is as you describe it in America? We can speculate that men, male daters tend to be more racially open generally, but what I do have to say, however, there are more men than are there women on these websites and men are much more likely to send messages and to respond to messages than women are.
So some have argued, well it's not necessarily Korean men dating black women men are more racially open, it's that they have less of a market to interact with. What about gays then in terms of their preferences and their choices because there's a smaller pool to start with in terms of, Korean men dating black women terms of choice? Yeah, that's exactly right and because the US census just started collecting information on gay and lesbian cohabitation, and it looks like gays and lesbians have higher rates of interracial unions and the argument is that okay, is it that gays and lesbians have more, are more racially open than straights? Or Dating id verification it exactly as you just said, a thinner dating market, you know, less of a choice.
We find again a very gendered effect. The effect is more about gender than sexual identity. Lesbians look very similar to white men in their racial preferences. That is being more open racially, whereas gay men look much more similar to straight women, being less open to racial groups. Sen, I wonder what you think about hearing that, you've got a Tamil background. Does that sit with your experience. Do you find you have preferences for certain specific groups? Well certainly when I was growing up I used to kind of dream of the prince charming, the knight in shining white armour, you know, where effectively, you know you've got these kind of representations and so your fantasy of, you know, the perfect guy is white in your head.
Now it's changed, I've had a kind of a broad dating history now which we won't get into. But certainly, but certainly, you know, growing up I've managed to kind of confront that and kind of mix it up a little bit. Mike, what did you want to say? I just wanted to basically say that the reason that a lot of black women in the US are actually dating out now is because of the demographics. Within the black community, there's a lot of cultural enforcement for a term called "nothing but a black man". You want to basically marry a black guy and basically within, stay within your community.
However, you've got to the point now in the United States that if every single black man and every single black woman that were available met up together and got partnered, there'd be 1. Okay, okay, over here, yes? Hi, I just wanted to comment on that. I think my preference is for black men and that's simply because I don't want to be someone's fantasy or fetish and I think for a lot of black women the main thing is when men come up to you, they're dating you solely because you're black. But you want someone who dates you because they like who you are. I think I'll disagree with that because that's also another stereotype, because you're saying a black man's going to date you because you're also black.
My husband had absolutely no preference for black women, he just wanted someone that he connected with and we met and we got on and we got married. My question is then are you not stereotyping Caucasian men by saying that you only date Caucasian men because they're less, less patriarchal than African men? Is that not a stereotype as well? Not my only reason for dating Caucasian men. It's just a question. You know, we live in a society full of choice, why does somebody like dark chocolate instead of white chocolate?
Why does someone like milk chocolate instead of peppermint chocolate? You know, I'm very proud to be black because I think there is this stereotype, but if you prefer to date outside of your race, you've got self-loathing, you've got self-hatred issues. I don't, I'm very proud to be black, I'm proud of my African heritage. I just like what I like and that's all there is to it. I don't think I have to justify my choices to anyone. I just, I'm more attracted to Caucasian men. Anyone else, yes Ida? I was going to say you're right, you don't have to justify your choices, but I think that's one of the things that if you're about to go into an interracial relationship, you have to consider because society does judge you.
They judge the motives behind the two people that happen to be in love. Why are they together in the first place? Is it because someone's trying to get immigration papers or is it because someone's trying to, you know, sort of move up in society in terms of their social standings or whatever? Based on stereotypes of course. Yeah, definitely, because you've got to look at the cultural factors when you get married. I mean some people would say western culture is more individualistic. Where I'm from it's not, it's very family orientated. I'm not against interracial dating.
I am saying though if it is based on a fantasy or an idea of okay, Asian women are more docile or African women, you know, I read this book or whatever, then it's a no because you're trying to fulfil your fantasy. You're not looking for a life partner so that's a big difference. And what's your background, where are you from? Okay, and if terms of your dating preferences, what do you do? I generally, I'm more inclined to date African men and that's simply because of my experience. If I met an Australian man who approached me and had a normal conversation that didn't involve some sort of stereotypical comment, I'm open to that.
Have you been on the receiving end of those stereotypical comments? Yeah, definitely, quite often. Yes, very often especially on line. And what sort of stereotypes? Comments like oh, big black booty girl. I love that, or I finally got myself a Rhianna. I don't even look like her. So I have received those kind of comments so that's where I'm, I guess I'm more wary. I'm kind of like well, why are you here? Have you had any of those stereotypes Rudo? Oh, I've had lots of stereotypes. Somebody actually asked me once are you from Sudan and you know, are you a refugee? And I was utterly gobsmacked because even if I was, you know, what does that have to do with anything?
And how did you meet your husband? Some people think because you're a black woman you're going to be more dominant, you're going to be kinky or - and I encountered this when I was dating. I tried on-line dating and there were people saying oh, my God, you're black, do you do this. Do you do that and I'm like seriously? You know, it was completely ridiculous. Your aunties had some very strong opinions about black men, didn't they, when you were growing up? Tell us about that?
I used to hear things growing up like, for example that they're going to womanise and of course Caucasian men womanise just as much, go with other women. They don't help somen the house with chores and just, you know, just negative stereotypes. I did grow up with a lot of those and perhaps subconsciously that did shape my choice. Do b,ack think there's a point where that tips into racism womenn can datinf into racism? I suppose yes, it can be to a certain extent. But I don't think it's racist to have a preference. If you prefer to date someone that's your own race or someone that's Asian, people should not condemn you for your choices. You've been accused of being a racist, haven't you?
Yes I have, I've Kodean called a Bounty, that's black on the outside and white on the inside. I've been called a coconut, I've got self-hatred issues, I'm not proud of being black, the list goes on and on because of my choices. And people can think what they like, you dxting, I'm not really bothered by that. I know what I like and I don't have to justify my choices to anybody. But can it tip into racism? I think it does. You know, if we stereotype ourselves into boxes where we think that we're only attracted to one race of people or one wmen of people that it's limiting, not only for ourselves but for other people as well.
It Online dating goes nowhere have a really negative effect on blac, self-esteem and especially if people express themselves and say that they won't date somebody from another race, that's quite racist. Okay, Mike, your response to that, putting limits by saying only black women? I mean people have a personal preference for who they date in their lives and they've got a multitude of reasons behind that. I don't see it really as ,en like anything too out of the ordinary to be quite wimen. I mean do we complain that white people only date white people? You know, I mean that's datin norm, isn't it?
So I don't see any problem, like we are all Korean men dating black women beings for goodness sake. Basically within dsting small community that I'm part of we basically emphasise you date character first. But you're putting race first, you're saying you're putting it first. No, but I mean that's just the preference that I start out from, but then you have to look for the character behind, that is behind, you know, the person. Okay, Denton, I know that you've got a view on this, you look at race preferences in the gay community, what do you think? I would actually argue this is all an expression of racism and that comes from, you know, the social science perspective, that we can be and frequently are racist without meaning to.
And when it comes to race in particular we need to ask, you know, am I inadvertently reproducing a hierarchy, am I shutting people out who are already marginalised? Of course the counter argument to that is when people do engage in interracial relationships, that ultimately we do see these same types of power dynamics play out. Of course everyone's experience is different, but we see really clear and consistent trends when it comes to so-called racialised attraction and that doesn't just happen by accident. Okay, and what are those trends, just briefly?
White values, certainly in countries like the United States or Australia, white identities are consistently valued, but we know that those racialised as Indian, Aboriginal, and occasionally Asian tend to be consistently devalued identities. Jennifer, you found that being mixed race can be a real asset in on-line dating, explain that to us? Something about white bi raciality with another race people find compelling, very attractive and perhaps it's safer. You can still be open minded, interested in someone different from yourself, but still not quite as different as someone of a completely different race. That would be my speculation behind it. Bill Von Hippel, what does science say about mixed race people and attractiveness, and the notion of attractiveness?
Because when two people of different races have an offspring together and because most of the bad genes that we carry tend to be recessive, then those bad genes won't express them in their body and in their mind. And so, on average, we see what we call hybrid vigour from like agriculture, that the offspring of multi-racial, multi-racial offspring actually are more attractive. They often are taller than their parents, although we see that generationally quite commonly, but they often are much more attractive as well and so it's quite possible that people are responding to them more positively simply because they look healthier and more attractive.
But you still say that for all those rules there's very little we can predict when we're actually presented with something unexpected? That's right, if we don't yet understand a lot of the factors that predict who's going to be attracted to whom. We know that factors that we don't necessarily think about consciously matter a lot, like scent, we know sometimes resemblance to one's own parents, there's lots of factors that play a role really rather unconsciously and we don't yet have a good handle on those. One thing that we find that's very interesting is if you look at people's preferences, their racial preferences that they state in their profile, many American daters will say I don't want to date Middle Easterners, for example, and this was particularly strong afterbut what we find is that their behaviours do not in any way reflect that.
When you come into contact with a real live human being they realise that these mark or these ethnic identities are so often cut up in stereotypes due to our isolation from one another, that contact with one another makes a huge difference in forming our preferences. So preferences are really an interactive process. Okay, we do have to wrap up. Anyone rethinking this as a result of this discussion? What do you reckon Linda? No, no, I'm not, I'm not fixated though. So if there's anyone out there who thinks I'm amazing, you know? Marianna, what do you think after what you've heard tonight? I think we're turning into a dating show at this point. It's not a bad thing. I usually like "bears," but no "panda bears.
He has since deleted the messages and apps. How Online Dating Shapes Our Relationships Jason is earning his doctorate with a goal of helping people with mental health needs. NPR is not using his last name to protect his privacy and that of the clients he works with in his internship. He is gay and Filipino and says he felt like he had no choice but to deal with the rejections based on his ethnicity as he pursued a relationship.
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